[JonusC]

@JingoFresh wrote:

You don’t need to use batch script or go to control panel to switch power plans. I do this often just from clicking the power icon.

No I don’t and you are correct, however I have a single shortcut that (1) disables screensaver, (2) launches game and sits around idle, then (3) when game quits, re-enables screensaver. Having that one shortcut is a lot easier than clicking around the GUI many times 😉 but my apologies, that was off-topic – it’s the exact same case with gamepads in Vista, but XP is not affected. I bet MS do it on purpose, because I don’t have an Xbox controller 😆

EDIT: For some reason I can’t enable the Power icon in my Notification Area. And when I go to Power in C.P., I have to click “Change settings that are currently unavailable” because the plans are greyed-out. WTF? UAC prevents changing power plans? You’ve got to be kidding me… Have I missed something? I only installed 2008 R2 within the past 24 hours. And yes I do have Sleep working on the Security Screen.

@JingoFresh wrote:

The show more details behavior can be configured as you like. It’s not a step back from Vista.

What I ment was, if I select 1000+ (or whatever) files of many types in one folder, in Vista and XP it will say “523 MB total” in the status bar straight away. In Windows 7, it doesn’t.

But how can I configure it in 7? I have not discovered such ability.

@JingoFresh wrote:

the screensaver being aware of mplayer. This is depednant on what driver mplayer is using. I use smplayer myself, and with the direct3d driver(to get aero transparency), it works fine.

Well for starters, sorry I made a mistake – the screensaver doesn’t engage (in the case of video playback). It’s the monitor power savings. I think it’s an MPlayerC-HC bug to be honest. I don’t think it’s the driver/renderer, because it is using EVR – the exact same DirectX10 engine that Windows Media Player uses internally (the evolution of VMR9). And MPlayerC was always Aero transparent, even on the old release before stated it was Vista compatible, since it appears to use standard Win32 window drawing (it is developed in Visual C++ AFAIK).

@JingoFresh wrote:

(slack user here as well :> )

I actually have no time for Linux these days, always working… I tried booting in the other day, and was slightly overwhelmed… so I’m more of an ex-slacker i guess, not out of choice but by lack of time 🙁

[JonusC]

Hey JF,

Yeah well – I can’t stand all those Linux’s that aren’t even Linux haha. You run Ubuntu, you’re an Ubuntu user – not a Linux user. Same with Fedoran, Mandriva, openSUSE, and so on…. sure they are easy to use, but they are no more “elite” than Windows in my opinion, they are just as babied down and sandboxed (albeit poorly as they still required root/console access in many cases). Slackware on the other hand…. you run slackware, and you DO run Linux – knowledge that is transferable to any other distro…

[End OT]

Anywho, Sevener that Comodo thing, that’s called a bug. Not a permissions or user rights or privledges issue.

I could not end its system process from the Task Manager (it said I didn’t have enough privileges). Of course I was running taskman as Administrator.

I have never seen that before in my entire life. Oh wait – you were probably trying to kill the Service or the Kernel Driver. Either go to services.msc or Device Manager to stop it in this case. But regardless, this is a BUG. There is – literally – no such user in Windows higher than administrator. TrustedInstaller is internally used by AUTHORIZED administrative-approved setup tasks, and SYSTEM is just a psuedo-user meaning it operates outside the scope of the Roaming Profiles (i.e. kernel/boot drivers).

Another case was about a year ago on Vista, when I couldn’t delete a certain system file (I don’t remember what was its name and why did I want to delete it).

As I said, taking ownership and then CHMOD’ing it is all you have to do. There are two common mistakes people make in this case that they still complain about not having access after doing that, (1) not disabling inherited permissions or (2) not observing the user group assignment hierachy to see which permissions are actually effective for a particular user (usually it’s “Everyone” conflicting, for obvious reasons). Commonly you have to take ownership then erase all existing permissions (to break all inhereted relationships in the object node), then start from scratch adding permissions.

And AFAIK I cannot delete C:/Windows, can I?

That’s a little insulting. You sound like one of these Linux fanboys who wants a feature to be available, despite it being 10000000% useless – its just the fact that you can’t do it, and so you complain about Windows being sandboxed. With that said, yes you can as long as you take ownership of the folder (well you could in Vista anyway).

[JonusC]

@RemixedCat wrote:

Do you like having to right click on a folder and go to properties just to see if it is shared?

The idea behind that, is, that the new Homegroups presents data/resources on the local machine or the network in the same way, and it’s indistinguishable which is which. Windows 7/2008 R2 also have redesigned Offline Files functionality that caches all network resources automatically (when you have enough space of course – it will auto-delete them if you need more space, much like System Restore points). The basic idea behind it is that Microsoft wanted to make “Local files and Network files all the same thing to the average users’ eye : stuff at my house”. Of course all this is configurable. Keep in mind that, unlike Vista, traditional Shared folders are infact a legacy feature provided for backwards compatibility only (and you have to reduce the security in Network Center to even be able to connect to a Vista-or-earlier machine). It was all replaced with Homegroups.

Yeah, it might suck, but that’s life. I remember when XP first came out – I stayed on Windows 98 for THREE YEARS because I hated everything about it!

As the others said though, how that is present in the status and also hovering over the folder, I agree is a time waster. It’s nice to see at a glance which is accessible to the network at a glance without having to click every-single-folder and checking… they should have provided an option to show/hide the overlay at least. BUT I think all that is useless, because I always managed my shares via MMC anyway.

@RemixedCat wrote:

do you like not having the network icon let you know whether you have local only access, or internet access or not at all-or would you just like a worthless icon that does not indicate the state of the network?

It still states the status of the network exactly like Vista did, the ring = resolving DHCP and/or DNS, yellow exclamation = gateway/DNS error, red cross = no connection…

@Indrek wrote:

@RemixedCat wrote:

would you also not like having quick controls for managing power plans on your laptop, instead, having to go to the control panel all the way there and selecting only two power plans instead of the hidden “high performance” plan?

What quick controls did Vista have for managing power plans that 7 doesn’t? Or by “manage”, do you mean “select”?
Personally I never understand why people need to switch between different power plans all the time. I always use the Balanced one, tweaked to my liking.

Enable the power icon in your Notification Area via “Turn system icons on or off”.

The only quarrel I have with Power in 7/R2 is the silly screensaver/monitor shutoff not being aware of 3rd-party video players (MPlayerC-HC) which Vista was, and that I have to turn off my screensaver whenever I play a game with my Logitech joypad and original Vista Gamepad drivers for it. But yeah, changing power plans all the time – all that can be done via POWERCFG batch files/shortcuts if needed (like what I do to temporarily disable screensaver while gamepad gaming).

Alas that’s probably at fault of said 3rd party software not understanding the new API. Regardless, why did they have to change it from Vista? It’s probably related to WDDM 1.1 and/or the EVR Render Engine for video playback I guess. But seriously, that gamepad thing – come on Microsoft, please make your next generic HID input driver have the checkbox “allow this input device to wake the computer” – it is there in XP for the exact same gamepad!

@RemixedCat wrote:

would you not like to know how many windows explorer windows are open?

Nope. Why? Waste of precious superbar real-estate (I never use the combine thing, it makes things slower trying to navigate your windows when you’re working in a lot of programs/sessions/folders).

@RemixedCat wrote:

would you like to have the name of the song pop up in the miniplayer as well as having seek controls and volume, etc? or just some dumbed down thumbnail with just next and prev buttons?

Windows Media Player…???? 😯 MediaMonkey FTW!

@RemixedCat wrote:

or status bar not really showing status? or rather a generic “working” with thinking going on?

Yeah Windows 7 is a little lacking in the verbosity department… I also hate it how when you have many items selected, you have to click “Show more details” in the info-panel just to find the size. WTF??? In XP and Vista it was right there in the Status bar!

@RemixedCat wrote:

also the look of it is just boring.

I don’t even use Themes and never did, so I’m easily pleased there. 😆

@RemixedCat wrote:

Also , indrek you sound like you don’t multitask much. You prolly don’t have much explorer windows open to care or don’t use grouping.

Call me an XP old schooler, but I’d rather have a three-notch-high taskbar than resort to the horrible horrible grouping in Vista or 7… I distinguish my Explorer windows by their title bar which is it’s folder path, not by thumbnail that’s indistinguishable from the other explorer windows…

@RemixedCat wrote:

I do have one question….

Well… Most light computer users are ok with the changes, but us hardcore users only EVER use IE8 for cross-browser testing of our web productions. No, it’s not because “it’s insecure” or “it’s slow” – it’s simply because it is lacking in all areas in general. Chromium 4 Devbuilds, Opera 10.x and Mozilla Minefield Browser 3.7a1 (or even Firefox 3.6 Beta 2) are quite attractive alternatives…

…but yeah, I’m an ex-Linux user (Slackware – that’s right foo’s the REAL linux!) 😆

[JonusC]

@xxcom9a wrote:

Take a look at the AVG on Server 2008 Comment for some information on the ProductType = ServerNT stuff.

http://www.win2008workstation.com/win2008/security-software#comment-2002

Ah that’s very clever, it never occured to me to simply replace the offset to make a setup check an alternate key for “ProductType”.

Alas I’m sure it works for some but it wouldn’t for all – AVG probably uses it’s own hard-coded registry check for this value, whereas other (perhaps MSI/Windows Installers) would use sort of internal function to check this key that’s part of the Windows API.

Regardless, this is interesting to know – I’m going to investigate this method (among others) further over the next few weeks, maybe I can write some sort of in-memory runtime patcher…

[JonusC]

@Sevener wrote:

@JingoFresh wrote:

You don’t need to run as higher than Administrator, ever, for anything. If you are actually running as the Administrator account with UAC turned off, you won’t get prompted for any authentication, and you will have full access.

This statement is NOT TRUE.
Windows is NOT Linux.
Unlike Linux root, Windows Administrator is not able to do ANYTHING. I won’t go deep into technical details, but this is just how Windows works.

Please, do go deeper into technicals for the sake of backing up your claim. Name ONE Win32 application that requires higher privledges than Administrator – apart from standard TrustedInstaller calls of course (such as those that install new drivers or kernel stacks, that are built with trusted/signed INF’s and certificates via standard methods in Windows development).

JingoFresh is correct, but feel free to refute him/me when you actually find some proof and we can talk more on it.

[JonusC]

ANYWAY…

Did the O.P. actually figure out his system? This topic was indeed interesting 😆

Maybe I’ll head over to an Ubuntu forum now and ask them something like – how do I use my computer as ‘root’ all the time? I don’t want any of these so-called “SECURITY PRECAUTIONS” in place from now fancy-pants “KERNEL PROGRAMMER” who thinks he knows what I’m free to do and not to do on my computer!!!

WOW I’m being a jerk! If the thread creator reads that, I’m just playing mate don’t stress… let us know if you sorted it out though or how far you got

But yeah, if you want to take 100% control of your PC it’s quite easy really..

1) Disable UAC
2) Take ownership of all files
3) Assign “Full Permissions” to the “Administrators” group to your entire C:
4) [Optional] save hackers the effort and nuke your harddisk right now, set PC on fire, throw it out window, etc.

If it still doesn’t work, either update/swap your software to a newer or alternative one compatible with the OS, or simply go back to the older version of Windows that was originally working. Nothing too difficult there

[JonusC]

Ah half my closest mates are Americans, mainly midwest. Aha yes yes, I plan to visit Tokyo very very soon – I can see myself screaming as I run through the main streets, arms flailing wildly, trying to catch a Mudkip, find My Goddess (AH!), have a fight with Ryu or help Spike bust some bad guys… aHEM *wakes up to reality* I actually have zero buddies these days who are computer guys like me. Simple reason, they are all idiots. I remember once upon a time when computers and videogames were only for nerds (mind you I was only 13) then it started changing, it became COOL… and thus all the jocks and weeners alike came with it…

well yeah, i’m a strong believer in New Age philosophy myself – just an FYI that neutrality is something i’ve always held to my core. Still, doesn’t matter how many nights I go out and how many people I meet or talk to, I still don’t get people at all. Selfish, strange and rude critters they are…

Well, thanks for the welcome guys 😛 now I must retire for the night. Oh wait it’s 10:30am Saturday… dang I’ve done it again.

[JonusC]

OK, I admit ignorance there in the “7 is based on Vista” regard. I guess I was caught up in the hype of Win7 teasers being “what Vista should of been”. But yeah, I re-read some Wikipedia articles and can’t believe I forgot this interesting tale of how the codebase that became Windows 7 started straight after XP, and that Vista/Longhorn development started before XP was even RTM – and the reason why Longhorn was delayed for so long was because they brought over much of the features from Blackcomb/Vienna/Windows7 project over to the Longhorn project, not to mention the fact that in 2003 they apparently rebooted the entire Longhorn codebase 😯

A well cited article details it quite well in the first paragraph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista

and this interesting snippet:
@http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_7#History wrote:

Later, Blackcomb was delayed and an interim, minor release, codenamed “Longhorn” (named for the Longhorn Tavern between the resorts), was announced for a 2003 release.[5] By the middle of 2003, however, Longhorn had acquired some of the features originally intended for Blackcomb, including WinFS, the Desktop Window Manager, and new versions of system components built on the .NET Framework. After the 2003 “Summer of Worms”, where three major viruses − Blaster, Sobig, and Welchia − exploited flaws in Windows operating systems within a short time period, Microsoft changed its development priorities, putting some of Longhorn’s major development work on hold in order to develop new service packs for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. Development of Longhorn was also “reset” in September 2004.

Ah yes I was wrong… and everything else, yes – I’m wrong again after doing some further reading – drat 😥

Apparently they are all regarded as major releases. Vista is major over XP and 7 is major over Vista, Even XP is a massive release over 2000 😯 We’ll I’ll be damned… I sure ain’t a computer wizzkid anymore, that’s for sure!

…ah it’s good to be put in my place every now and then ^_^

Looking forward to you finding those threads/that forum if you manage to, be sure to let me know if you do come across it (PM or Misc subforum, doesn’t phase me too much) 🙂 Cheers JF! As you were gentlemen… and ladies? I think 🙄 Bah, I’m off to bed! *Tips hat* it’s good to be back

EDIT: I’d rather a BMW than a Ferrari 😛

[JonusC]

Hmm… if it’s in a VM, how often do you use it? Because I have had Win7 installed for close to two months now and only started noticing it within these past few days, and I’ve got everything on here for my primary production needs – CS4 Suite, AV, Web Browsers and E-Mail clients, XAMPP and NetBeans, Visual Studio 2008, and so on… so it’s a pretty full system.

…I kinda have a feeling it’s something I use that is too old and causing an odd bug or conflict. Two programs I have become attached to over the years and not let go since Pre-SP2 WinXP days, Tray Commander and Hotkey Helper, are quite… well, they look retro basically, and I know one of them required Visual Basic 5 runtime to be installed (which is hard to find these days but I have it in my archive still…)

Well I think I’m going to do some research into finding some newer, alternate software for these particular applications regardless. But yeah, still curious to see if anyone has heard of this. Considering Google turns up nothing, I have a feeling it is indeed one of the few programs I use that are so rare, nobody even noticed that the companies don’t exist anymore 😆

[JonusC]

@GnatGoSplat wrote:

Anyhow, I got my Superfetch to appear as though it’s working. Service is started. Now, how do I prove or disprove it is working? I’m getting .pf files in Prefetch, when I load programs, the drive grinds away for a long time initially, but when I close the app and re-run the program, it pops up instantly. Adobe Reader, Outlook 2007, IE, WMP, and PowerShell, they all took time to load the first time and now pop up instantly. Could be it was the standard prefetching and not Superfetch responsible for that, I don’t know?

That’s not SuperFetch at work I’m afraid, that’s good old-fashioned Windows Memory Pooling from Windows NT 4 (maybe 3?) days even. If you load a program then close it, it only marks said programs’ allocated memory pool as “available” but doesn’t actually clear it until it’s needed. So closing and reopening is near instant because it’s already got left over bits in RAM.

You’d have to start an intensive program that usually takes a few seconds to load, Photoshop CS4 for example, then reboot the computer. Run Photoshop again and time the difference with a stopwatch. Reboot again and time again. Repeat several more times and see if Photoshop loads faster and faster everytime.

And if you did it yourself, is that all you did? Just the service? Because SuperFetch is more than just a service, it’s a kernel-level driver that loads on bootup before the O.S. even initializes. THEN there is ReadyBoot (not a typo, that’s a different thing to ReadyBoost) which is the SuperFetch component that prefetch all your drivers and pre-usermode binaries….

Also check the entire Event Log (not just Administrative Alerts) for any messages. If you see nothing at all to do with Superfetch or ReadyBoot, then it’s definately not working (because if the Event Log handler entry points arn’t registered for the kernel driver, then it definately isn’t working). Also enable verbose boot logging to actually see if the SuperFetch/ReadyBoot SYS files are actually loaded.

Ahem… sorry if that makes no sense! All this is what I remember trying to do when I first did this back in R2 Beta. I only just decided today to reinstall R2 and give this another shot, I sort of wanted to post all that as a bit of a self-reminder too haha… but it’s interesting info regardless.

[JonusC]

Thanks for the input xxcom, it’s appreciated. I’ve never been one to flame at all, but sometimes I don’t know if I’m being a little too nasty in expressing my point, but it’s nice to know you’re keeping an eye here in case I do go out of line (don’t be afraid to eSmack me one sir! 😆 ) …And everyone notices pretty quickly on all forums I’m a part of, that I have a habit of getting way too involved… so please, don’t be too shy on warning me of off-topic rants either! :geek:

With that said though, RC and JF had some unanswered topics there so I won’t spam this thread anymore unless someone directly quotes me – I think I broke my longest-post record just then.

[JonusC]

@xxcom9a wrote:

Arris does a lot silently, sometimes I see that he hasn’t logged in for a week but magically spammers got banned during that time. 😉

Hahaha that’s quite hilarious! I know what it’s like, I encounter similar things between my “boss” over at CompoJoom.com – sometimes I go away for a few days and come back and find he’s gone ahead and fixed a bug or implemented a feature that I added to the repository and assigned to myself, even though he hasn’t been online the entire time…

…it’s a strange strange world in the interwebs, most of us tend to work silently because it’s too much of a time waster making idle conversation or pleasantries – after all, there are more important things than baseballs and whatnot, there’s much work to do – to make things more decent! [Harvey Birdman]

[JonusC]

@JingoFresh wrote:

I don’t think thats quite right.

Two of the biggest problems with Vista, were people thinking it was bloaty because SuperFetch was using up RAM, as intended, and because of the poor driver situation. Not to mention the UAC absurdity.

All of these were fixed in 7, as well as a whole host of stuff.

Well… you didn’t really refute anything I said there, I agree with you completely. The RAM Usage was a myth true, older non-Vista-aware programs would falsely report RAM usage as it also counted the Superfetch cache true. Driver situation was expected – although interestingly, the Vista driver development was actually adopted quicker by OEM’s than the original XP phase-in from memory (probably because XP was absolutely horrible compared to most users still on 98 or Me and many users didn’t switch for years I remember Doom 3 was a big pivotal moment for most to upgrade to 2000/XP). I also remember reading that 50% of Vista crashes were caused by WDDM-related instabilities on ATi and nVidia based graphics machines, at the fault of poor DirectX10 shader programming for the Aero interface – mainly with the GDI+ emulation. And yeah, UAC is a very valid point – Vista’s UAC is horrible and I never had it on, but since using 7 I have never turned it off.

That is an interesting way of looking at it. I don’t know how broad a point you were making, but I strongly disagree that 7 is based on Vista however. 7 is to Vista as Vista is to XP.

You disagreeing with that is, I’m afraid, nothing but your subjective opinion with little to no evidence to back that up. Despite lack of an official statement from Redmond, it was always assumed that 7 was directly based on the Vista codebase; nay, it’s nearly a certainty – just by exploring the system file structure (DLL’s, COM+ layout, SideBySide architecture, etc), examination of registry hives, and even looking around the various MMC plugins/snapins, the similarities are obvious. Not to mention the whole Vista = NT 6.0 and 7 = NT 6.1 situation; it’s more than just a “to keep backwards compatiblity with installers that check major OS version” myth (which is a method of host-version checking LONG phased out of InstallShield, Wise Installer ad MSI/Windows Installers, as well as some minor packers like NSIS and Themida Cryptor), it’s a literal example of the major.minor.revision.bugfix versioning criteria that Microsoft (and most Win32 software vendors) stuck with since Windows 3.0 days. For an example of “7 was always assumed to be directly based on Vista”, see http://www.pcworld.com/article/153624/under_the_hood_windows_7_is_vistas_twin.html

Vista (Windows NT 6.0) and XP (Windows NT 5.1) are worlds apart, especially under the hood. That’s like comparing Windows 95 (Windows 4.0) to Windows 3.1. And, no offence or bigotry at all intended, but as someone who has been reverse engineering Microsoft OS’s for many years (ever heard of “Windows NCLI” or Win5 TinyKRNL Project? Or Windows XP Black Edition? How about Mini95 from older BartPE rescue discs? Not to mention the light work I’ve done here on these forums; but while trying to work a legitimate career recently since growing up from those days mind you), I think I sort of know what I’m talking about. A great example is how Vista (compared to XP) has a completely redesigned, GPU accelerated Window Manager (DWM, the successor to GDI+, which also in-turn emulates GDI+), and also phased out the ancient (and I mean ancient – since Windows 95!) MCI system of Audio subsystem threading in favour of the new Windows Audio Endpoint Builder.

All those major changes first introduced in Vista (GDI+>DWM and MCI>Windows Audio) among many others, are still pretty much exactly the same in Windows 7 – with the exception of some new minor implementations that I know of. DirectCompute, for example, further broadens the GPU-accelerated featureset of the Window Manager and Multimedia software / Games for DirectX11 capable cards, by opening up General Purpose GPU programming capability to mainstream Win32 development via DirectX SDK.

Well, this thread was about people using R1/Vista over 7. Rejecting 7 because of a few minor UI changes seems insane, when you factor in the performance and other improvements. It’s like sticking with Windows 2003 because you don’t like the new startbar.

I think it is important to note that while a case can be made for using Win2k3 over XP, and R1 over Vista, it is a lot harder to make a case for using R1/R2 over 7.

7 is not babied down at all, and the desktop experience is really no different than using R2, animations and all. It is very configurable, and very usable. The reason I’m using R2 is to learn about hyperv and the new AD stuff, and I do appreciate the minimal approach(although I don’t think that is enough to justify a server os by itself).

Using R1/Vista at this point seems odd, considering you won’t be getting the most out of your hardware by a long shot. Sacrificing performance because you can’t get used to a slightly new paradigm, or miss some animations? Really?

I have no complaints about any Microsoft OS’s to be honest, because I’m not an end user who expects Microsoft to be mind readers and I know that they can’t please everybody. [EDIT: That might sound like I’m accusing you of being a said end user after I re-read that, was not my intention sorry!). I used both Vista and 7 since Private Beta days (TechNet Plus subscriber here) and always just worked around the random explorer.exe crash or driver failure (I always had at least 2 Windows installs anyway – one for the newest pre-release, the other for an ol’ XP SP3 nLite’d). But I guess all that can be summed up with why my father still prefers Windows 2000 over XP, and why so many gamers and purists still stay with XP x64 – despite having 8GB of DDR2-1066 RAM, a Q8X00 CPU and an nVidia GTX285. Oh… and an SSD RAID-5 array. (Silly, I know… lol…)

…because it works for them, and they are comfortable with it. Not every human is driven by wisdom of inquisitiveness in the unknown (sadly), but are still tainted by good-old-fashioned fear. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And for the self proclaimed power users/gamers who stay on an older OS, they all seem to mumble some elitist bullsh*t that basically translates to “i’m in love with my PC the way it is but I won’t admit it” to my ears…. hahaha!

P.S. RemixedCat I liked your first post – if I do get back into the 2008 Workstation game, maybe we talk more about bringing some of the Vista/2008 [R1] shell features into 2008 R2?

A lot of people have already done this for 7. Their work would probably work directly on R2.

Really? On these forums? I’ll have a look around, it’s been a while… or another site? Care to share? 😀

I think a lot of what you said was perception and or subjective, and I think a lot may have been inaccurate.

I would like for you to respond to get to a technical basis if there is one.

You thinking that a lot of what I said was inaccurate is indeed also subjective, fact of the matter is we aren’t blessed with an open code-base like our Post-IBM-Compatible-Age-80×86 brethren in the BSD and Unix hemisphere of PC’s.

I did mention some light technicals there. I could of gone deeper, but I don’t see the need because most of what I said is indeed – just a personal opinion. I won’t deny that.

Well, in final reply to the thread title, I can think of two specific reasons why people use R1 over 7. (1) Need over greed, they legitimately own a copy of R1 and have no need to upgrade to 7/R2 and/or can’t afford it, and (2) They actually use the server functions of Windows Server 2008 R1 (as a Web Developer myself, I have missed out a bit moving up to Windows 7) and don’t see the point or don’t have the time to hack around with R2 just yet, because their home network is rock steady or because it’s simply not feasible to down their inhouse-hosted web server just to whack on the newest, bleeding edge, probably-still-unstable-somewhere Server OS.

We’re not all just OS tinkerers here, some of us do actually use the Server stuff that might be useless to your generic power head/hardcore gamer.

With that said, Windows 7 still crashes occassionally for me. Mainly just the explorer.exe failure, probably because of my custom namespace extensions that were designed for Vista x64 that I haven’t had time to completely bugtest (MSDN is STILL very lacking in Windows 7 MFC/API specs and differences since Vista… oh maybe there are hardly any because Win7 is so similar to Vista?)

Anywho, you do still raise very valid points – please realize I’m not disagreeing with you in anyway, just maybe giving some possible insight in response to your original question is all. I’m not here to shoot anyone down, I’m happy to continue this very involved topical thread if you still are 🙂 or I’ll just be quiet and not say another word if you think I’m being rude or have taken anything I said personally (RemixedCat or anyone else, smack me in line if you feel it necessary 😳 )

[JonusC]

Yeah, I’ve seen it before is all – I remember being freaked out by the Firefox alert when I first saw it, and was like “what the? has this forum been infected or reported as malicious!?!?” so yeah… I know it’s not a major concern, but is indeed worth checking out.

Well I just got notified of that reply and it wasn’t https 😯

@The E-Mail notification I just received wrote:

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…so either it was a one off thing, or Arris silently fixed it up 🙂

[JonusC]

Yeah I know what you mean xxcom, but I mean the E-Mail subscription notifications have secure HTTP protocol on the URL’s that point to the topic update. And i’m a normal member, so I would safely assume that all other members also get secure http addresses. When I open it and see the intimidating “WARNING – GET ME OUT OF HERE!” message from Firefox (lol) it could be worrying to those not as technically proficient as us!

But then again, if it does scare them they probably shouldn’t be hacking around with Server OS’s anyway 😆

I have a rough idea what you mean about the technicals – I use IMAP+SSL in my E-Mail client directly from the domain name that I own, and I have to tell Shredder client to ‘Allow anyway’ because the Cert. matches my webhosts’ DNS instead of my own domain (something like g801.hostgator.com instead of sonus-online.net). I think, in my case, it’s because the Domain Registrar I registered with was not the same company as my webhost, and there is additional configuration I have to do on my Registrar to propagate the cert. authentication transparently through….

Ah well, just thought i’d bring it up is all. Here’s a screenshot of the cheky error anyway, just for your and Arris’ reference.

[attachment=0:129mtutb]win2008workstation_certerror.png[/attachment:129mtutb]

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